Curse

Dax · Aug 25, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Mornin!
I just noticed that in the last couple of days there hasn't been a positive Guild Wars thread on page one, except for the stickies. If I was a thinkin of buyin Guild Wars for the first time, I might be a bit (to put it lightly) put off by all these threads.

.....just a thought

AeroLion · Aug 25, 2005, 03:14 PM // 15:14

It's the apprehension of what's going to happen to some of the skills. Puts everyone on the defensive.

Kampfkeks · Aug 25, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

The problem is, when you make a positive thread you will get flamed to death for it.
The term fanboi often comes to mind when this is happening and as a result, negative and flamingthreads are more common and more resident. Especially around Guildwars Guru where the way people interact is a bit harsh.

Robos Stavanis · Aug 25, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dax

Mornin!
I just noticed that in the last couple of days there hasn't been a positive Guild Wars thread on page one, except for the stickies. If I was a thinkin of buyin Guild Wars for the first time, I might be a bit (to put it lightly) put off by all these threads.

.....just a thought

I think the biggest problem at the moment is the split between sides that feel either nerfing of a skill or build is a good idea, or leave as is. Both sides reference either the DEV's knew exactly what they were doing, or it was something the DEVs never intended. You tend to get these sorts of heate debates when folks feel strongly about their position. I personally could give a rats back side what other folks do or don't do with teh skills available to them. I have used some to my advantage as well, and in doing so have helped others. I also feel that any build with the right set up can become quite extrodinary under the right setting..........Even the most powerful solo build can fall victim to a singular MOB/build much like the clasic rock/paper/scissors game.

Esprit · Aug 25, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Positive and thread in the same sentence? Is that even possible? I think I read a comment a mod made saying that if this forum was full of positive threads, it would be a dust bowl.

When players are content they have no reason to post or probably even lack the motivation to post something nice.

Mumblyfish · Aug 25, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22

For as long as the game has problems, there'll be threads packed with complaining. People seem surprised by this. Hm.

Sekkira · Aug 25, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Kamp:

Getting flamed for being a Guild Wars/ArenaNet fanboy on a forum about Guild Wars hosted on a fan site about Guild Wars and endorsed somewhat by ArenaNet themselves. I think anyone who tries should be laughed at

Sanji · Aug 25, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Well, "General" Forums are not a good place for someone who needs to figure out if a game is for them or not. Mostly because Community Discussion forums are often a pungent and volatile mixture of blind zealots and jaded gamers who are often too busy being at each others' throat than worrying about silly things like embracing new blood.

Elistan Theocrat · Aug 25, 2005, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Hey, even I can make a fairly non negative post.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=51578
I'd like to think this one promotes some thought about what we'd like to see in PVP.

ifuwerepbandj · Aug 25, 2005, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Most of my positive threads are reserved for my guild's forum because I don't think most people here care about my guild wars dance parties. Most of the good times I have involve my guildies, but are irrelevant to anyone here.

Algren Cole · Aug 25, 2005, 03:35 PM // 15:35

a positive thread would mean people weren't complaining....that's not possible

Artemis Bladewing · Aug 25, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

An example of a somewhat positive thread:

OP: WTS xxx item... offer plz
1stPerson: 10k
2nd Person:15k
3rdPerson: 25k
1stPerson: 50k
OP: Sold

(that is somewhat positive

)

Anyway forums are for debates and people always believe to know everything better then the rest. Instead of flaming try to make zynical comments or jokes, thats alot more difficult then flaming without arguments.

(the funniest flamers are those who flame grammer and spelling)

Crimson_1190 · Aug 25, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

NO THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A POSITIVE THREAD AND YOU ARE ALL MORON N00BZ!!!

eh, just kidding

. I think the reason is school is starting again...the kiddies going back to school/college has put them on edge. Also the change in the season and the nearing deadline for new content has people a bit more on the defensive...or maybe the people saying positive things are out playing the game more now than the people who aren't. For my money, i really haven't noticed a real change in the content of the forums. Alot of offline things have gotten my nickers in a twist recently, but unless everyone is having the same crap to deal with, I dont know

.

IlikeGW · Aug 25, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

For as long as the game has problems, there'll be threads packed with complaining. People seem surprised by this. Hm.

^^^

I've heard it expressed a million times by new players a week in... they don't know what the fuss is about and it seems negative to them. For you guys, just play the game and enjoy it. The problems don't arrive until end game, and there's plenty of meat in-between.

But there will obviously be "negative" posts as long as people feel there are things about the game terribly unfair/unfun/unrepresentative of what GW should be.

Phades · Aug 25, 2005, 05:25 PM // 17:25

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=49874

That is a positive thread as well, but threads do not last forever.

varyag · Aug 25, 2005, 05:30 PM // 17:30

I posted a positive and respectful thread...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=51301

It was shutdown because out of the 22 posts only 4, including mine, were constructive, and the moderator decided to close the thread instead of cleaning it.

Summary of replies:
1. Elistan Theocrat - Professor - posted a one-liner response
2. baalzamonbarnes - Prominent Citizen - responded to Elistan
3. DarkWasp - Sancho Panza - responded to Elistan + out of topic complaint
4. Sekkira - Rocinante - out of topic response
5. SOT - Don Quixote - one liner response to the out of topic
6. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic demand to *thread lock*
7. Aniewiel - Facta, non verba - out of topic threat to *thread lock*
8. DarkWasp - Sancho Panza - out of topic comment
9. Robos Stavanis - Professor - On topic response to OP
10. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - out of topic comment
11. Mumblyfish - Councillor - out of topic comment
12. SOT - Don Quixote - out of topic flame
13. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - out of topic flame
14. SOT - Don Quixote - out of topic flame
15. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - out of topic flame
16. c h a v e z - Citizen - out of topic flame
17. IlikeGW - Citizen - On topic response to OP
18. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic response
19. c h a v e z - Citizen - out of topic response
20. Loviatar - Cervantes - out of topic response
21. Nash - Ministry of Knowledge - On topic response to OP
(thread closed)

The moderator that closed it claimed that it inspired no constructive replies, and was filled with spam. In fact, there were three on topic replies that could have remained while the spam was deleted.

List of people who contribute to killing positive threads:
Elistan Theocrat, baalzamonbarnes, DarkWasp, Sekkira, SOT, Loviatar, Aniewiel, Mumblyfish, Nash, c h a v e z.

Because the above people are allowed to post spam without being warned and/or banned, and without their spam being removed, the killing of positive threads is de-facto supported on the forum.

Hope this answers the title question. Have a nice day.

Xonic · Aug 25, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

OMG guildwars is fun?!!!111!11omgone

that's umpossible, how can guildwars be fun?QQQqqq111omgtwo

Dax · Aug 25, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Ah I think it's time for a group hug.

A couple more thoughts. First, if ya post something positive and you get flamed...so what? People who flame do so because they don't have a rational response.
Also, everyone was so jazzed when the game was released and I would guess in the beta. Has the game changed that much, or have you?... it's natural that games run thier course.

I can complain more than the next person so perhaps I'm just as guilty, but then I don't start too many threads I just repond.

I only say this because I've started another MMO (and no it is not WoW) which has been around for quite a while and it's amazing how much community spirit there is. (and yes even in general forums). I'm sure theres the usual problems, but you don't see it as much because people are actually civil to one another.

moonshadow · Aug 25, 2005, 07:39 PM // 19:39

It's pretty depressing to come to a so-called "elite fan site" and see people ripping the game and developers left and right. There's a difference between constructive criticism (which there is a forum for "game suggestions" isn't there?) and just plain whining, tantrum throwing, and blatant hostility and negativity toward the devs and the game. It's the exact reason I abandoned the Guild Hall...this board isn't nearly as bad as that one. I think Guild Wars should wipe them off their elite fansite list, they are positively offensive over there.

Anyway, negative comments are expected to certain degree, but maybe too many people take this game too seriously (addicts, maybe?) that they seem to take it personally when something doesn't go their way in a game and get extremely hostile...many are given to downright rage...it's really kind of scary.

If people could keep "game suggestions" (I would think if you have a dislike of a particular area of the game, you could take your energy and compose a constructive criticism regarding that area) in the proper place, then the rest of the boards could actually be used for game discussion, and things like that.

I'm tired to death of seeing a new thread regarding this monk thing -- whether pro or con, it's just getting ridiculous. I don't have a "invinci-monk" or whatever it's called, and would like to see some other threads once in a while.

Sanji · Aug 25, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46

It's being an Elite Fan site that's the problem. If TGH or Guru gets taken off the Elite Fansite list, any site that gets bumped will just take their spot in being the place for people to blow off their hotair.

Anyone looking for an official forum or seeking to submit a suggestion finds this on the Guild Wars site.

Quote:

If you have suggestions for Guild Wars, we ask that you share them on one of our fansite forums. Forums are read daily, and ideas will be seen by the development team.

Then are linked to the Forum pages. Obviously most people are going to the sites with fancy words like "Elite" on it, or pretty much the one on the top of the list.

Anyhow, most constructive game discussion tends to be setting up in game trades, game strategies (be it build, skill, or mission info), or as resource to recruit/join Guilds.

These are handled in their respective forums. Discussion forums are pretty much the place to go for people to air their grievences, whether it is in regards to the game, the company, or other players.